Cleaning up.

Ophion2 · 08-23-2008, 10:42 AM

This site takes it's name too seriously.

I'm here for the blackmarket, as are most. But, no site is wise in teaching its members how to screw each other over. Promoting pass crackers, cookie grabbers, fake logins, in-game scams etc may gain members, but are they really members you want?

The ones who are here looking to scam people, be it on your site or at the game they come from, are not the ones you want hanging around to become your staff and MM's. They'll turn at the best price.

I would suggest you disallow scamming and hacking, and focus instead on actual cheating: autotrainers, autobuyers, blackmarket trading, etc. Your site will earn more respect for it. For, there truly is no honor among thieves. Among cheaters - well, there isn't much, but there's some.

**Ruzzeh** · 08-23-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ophion2

This site takes it's name too seriously.

I'm here for the blackmarket, as are most. But, no site is wise in teaching its members how to screw each other over. Promoting pass crackers, cookie grabbers, fake logins, in-game scams etc may gain members, but are they really members you want?

The ones who are here looking to scam people, be it on your site or at the game they come from, are not the ones you want hanging around to become your staff and MM's. They'll turn at the best price.

I would suggest you disallow scamming and hacking, and focus instead on actual cheating - autotrainers, autobuyers, blackmarket trading, etc.

I thought the autotrainers and all that other stuff were hacks?

Ophion2 · 08-23-2008, 10:57 AM

I use the word "hacking" loosely. In a casual sense, it means brute-forcing (hashing), stealing a database, etc.

Though, I suppose a "real" hacker would argue against my terminology. I don't think anything anyone does on this site is technically "hacking".

**DarkenedSky** · 08-23-2008, 11:08 AM

No, we have some true hackers here. Probably not that active, but hackers nonetheless. Besides, we have more and more people bruting every day.

~~*Wilfukguys*~~ · 08-23-2008, 11:10 AM

I actually agree with you. Except i dont think care about CGers.
I believe GG should have just stuck to cheating through ABers,AAers,APers,Trainers, CGers, the sort. But GG has changed way to much.

**k[ore]** · 08-23-2008, 11:10 AM

i agree with you. i fucking hated it when people were only resorting to fake logins and scamming instead of finding exploits and bots like the good ol days.

**DarkenedSky** · 08-23-2008, 11:13 AM

Maybe we need a new avenue instead of just Gaia/neopets. Start getting people active in actual hacking and what not. Sites like Blackcode and the like lasted a long time (though they closed down now), but taught people a lot on the hacking front.

**Bunneh** · 08-23-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ophion2

This site takes it's name too seriously.

I'm here for the blackmarket, as are most. But, no site is wise in teaching its members how to screw each other over. Promoting pass crackers, cookie grabbers, fake logins, in-game scams etc may gain members, but are they really members you want?

The ones who are here looking to scam people, be it on your site or at the game they come from, are not the ones you want hanging around to become your staff and MM's. They'll turn at the best price.

I would suggest you disallow scamming and hacking, and focus instead on actual cheating: autotrainers, autobuyers, blackmarket trading, etc. Your site will earn more respect for it. For, there truly is no honor among thieves. Among cheaters - well, there isn't much, but there's some.

You say that you're here for the black market. I may be wrong, but a large part of that is the sale of game currencies; that is what provides the main incentive for most people to cheat. However, disallowing fake logins and crackers would destroy that market. Additionally, the purpose of GG has always been to find ways to success on those games, regardless of methodology. What you're suggesting is basically remaking the site - a complete reboot. Not only would be lose a significant portion of our userbase, but we would also be destroying the entire purpose of GG and the currency market as it currently stands.

Beyond that, you seem to imply that our staff and MM members are not trustworthy. I realize you're a new member, and may not understand that we don't just go around promoting every active member who happens to enjoy scamming, but I'd like to assure you that our staff and MM are under the most severe scrutiny and are only chosen after careful consideration.

I'm not sure exactly what to make of your suggestion; on one hand, as a staff member myself, I think it's fairly insulting. I've had the oppertunity as a trusted member on this site to gain tens of millions of Gaia gold and at least several thousand dollars. However, I've avoided doing so because I would have had to break the rules that I'm supposed to be supporting. Personally, it strikes a nerve when some new member who knows nothing about the site comes in and tells me that I'm a corrupt asshole willing to sell out a site that I've been on for two years for a couple of bucks.

**Sejiru** · 08-23-2008, 03:23 PM

Well Bunneh I know if I played games I wouldn't trade with a single member of this forum or any others like it, and I've been here for nearly two years! It's just that a scamming community has always rubbed me the wrong way and I use to troll threads involving scamming here till I got tired of it Dx. Personally I've always thought we should block scamming but never bothered to suggest it.

**Bunneh** · 08-23-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sejiru

Well Bunneh I know if I played games I wouldn't trade with a single member of this forum or any others like it, and I've been here for nearly two years! It's just that a scamming community has always rubbed me the wrong way and I use to troll threads involving scamming here till I got tired of it Dx. Personally I've always thought we should block scamming but never bothered to suggest it.

But you're doing the best thing to stay safe; not trade. Seriously. The point of having a trading forum on here is that if people are desperate enough or have the spare money and are willing to take a risk, we're here and available. And the staff does their damn best to make sure that scamming other GG members doesn't happen.