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09-05-2009, 03:42 AM
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GPoints: 83 Rep Power: 0 | Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.
From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo
No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator
An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.
It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: www.i'msuchajew.co.il)
Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.
If you accept formal logic and science you agree with this formal logical proof. Continued reading of how to relate to the Creator you will find in thisebsite: www.e-i'msuchajew.co.il
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09-07-2009, 05:59 PM
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GPoints: 1,016 Rep Power: 2 | So how did this Creator come from nothing? Assuming you'll say that It has always existed, then why can't the universe have had always existed? | |
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09-07-2009, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by andersbranderud Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.
From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo
No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator
An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.
It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: Netzarim (Hellenized "Nazarene"): Orthodox Israeli Jews, Ra'anana, Israel)
Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.
If you accept formal logic and science you agree with this formal logical proof. Continued reading of how to relate to the Creator you will find in thisebsite: Netzarim (Hellenized "Nazarene"): Orthodox Israeli Jews, Ra'anana, Israel | I am not completely sure what you said, but I think that I agree with what I do understand. Well.. Not that I don't understand. Just that I read correctly.
My belief in religion is basically what my parents tell me it is right now. That's kind of sad. I know... I kind of believe in god, but not everything. I can't tell my parents that I don't really believe because they are so overbearing. They tell me to think for myself, then they yell at me for thinking something they don't want me to. Basically they want me to think for myself as long as I think what they want me to think...
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09-07-2009, 06:31 PM
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09-07-2009, 06:31 PM
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09-07-2009, 06:32 PM
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GPoints: 48,969 Rep Power: 0 | did you join just to post some garble about intelligent design not being stupid? because it really didnt work.
oh, and dinosaur fossils were put on this earth to test faith right? | |
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09-07-2009, 06:33 PM
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09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
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GPoints: 48,969 Rep Power: 0 | failed troll is fail. i hope he doesnt actually believe in this :P | |
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09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
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GPoints: 108,640 Rep Power: 28 | I am now an official believer and Jewhova. How can I not believe this, this is a turning point in my life. Thank you. | |
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09-08-2009, 04:00 AM
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GPoints: 14,982 Rep Power: 8 | The First Cause argument is bullshit. Half of those sentences don't make sense. | |
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