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Originally Posted by Pandox  Marriage is overrated ...
random statistics...
With figures like that,
what's the point anyway?
People should be able to marry whoever or whatever they want.
-sigh-
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It should be noted that those statistics are for married STRAIGHT couples. In point of fact, gay couples have a hugely lower divorce/separation/whatever you want to call it rate. It is well documented.
Meeps/Mrs. k[ore] you bug me a bit, you seem to not think about what you are saying or read half of what is posted.
I will address some of these now, they will be reversed chronologically because I am going back in time from present to address them.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Hmmm....are you guys gay or what?
If homosexuality was something that was deemed natural, why wasn't the anus created to be suitable for such penetration? You say it's a natural thing, then why didn't God create life to be suitable for such operations? |
If the anus wasn't created to be suitable for such penetration how do gays pull it off? Jaws of life? I don't think so. QED, it was created suitable for such penetration.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Hmmm....it's not that I hate them, or would like to stop them from getting married....
Iono, I think it's kinda sick. At least the ones I've seen...aren't too pleasant looking. |
I present your bias. You are coming at this from the viewpoint that it is sick.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Once males are desexed, they tend to start going female. That's probably the reason for the attraction. I mean, once the balls are lost....you stop producing the male hormones...breasts grow and your voice gets higher....right? BTW, if you're bald....you start growing hair. ROFL |
Pardon, most gay guys haven't been desexed. Explain that attraction.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] I guess I am not in a position to state how 'boring' it would be; but, if gayness and homeosexuality were a natural process, then we'd have male apes rutting with one another. THAT obviously doesn't happen with apes nor any other species. Do humans not fit in that category too? Or perhaps you also believe that humans are devine and do not have any sort of animal characteristics? And, that mating and finding mates is completely different for humans? |
As others have stated, you're wrong about this, we have hundreds of examples of homosexuality in nature. Humans qualify as part of nature too.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Because it is against natural human behavior. |
Kindly explain how this is to me. Last I checked you have been informed that all scientific research indicates that it is genetic, and thus natural! Perhaps it is merely against your personal definition of what humans should do? Or maybe you subscribe to a particular belief system, for example the Catholic Church, which is guiding your personal beliefs of what is natural because it has been decreed by your god in the writings (written by man, research indicates maybe three men wrote the actual thing or at least heavily edited it) you hold sacred. I don't know, please enlighten me as to what you feel defines natural human behavior.
I had to break this next one down and address individual parts.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] I suppose you are correct about the issue regarding AIDs. However, I did not lay the blame to that particular STD solely on the gay/homosexual population. However, you can not discredit the fact that AIDs is more rampant in the gay population than any other form of sexual orientation. |
Only by percentage, and being a smaller population that makes it an invalid argument. The only likely reason for this higher percentage is that gays can only resort to the two highest-risk forms of sexual intercourse, oh well.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] I do realize that gays can not produce any sort of offsprings, due to the incompatibility of their genders. However, one can not rule out the possibility of influence that a gay couple may have on an adopted child. Remember the saying, like father, like son. Children learn from their environment. I would feel bad at how warped that child's mind would be. |
Can't produce offspring... YET. Science is a wonderful thing. And who are you to say that its warped? That's your opinion based on your BIAS, you are biased against gays, don't deny it because its obvious, and it has no grounds in anything science or anyone else has found.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] And, yes....my personal preference did lead me to dislike seeing gay couples. They look sick to me...and I have noted that it was my personal opinion...
Yeah, marriages nowadays are too expensive. Plus, there's really no need to get married..considering that if you two live together, you would be considered partners, and are still under California marriage laws. Bleh...I guess it doesn't really matter if gays married or not. It's their choice that they would rather suffer the burdens of marriage. Thus, it can be seen that gay marriages is not something that should be opposed, but rather gay orientation. |
So you feel we should all treat gay people like blacks were treated for centuries? You're as bad as a racist.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] I have actually redefined my view on the topic at hand. It seems that anyone should be allowed to marry.. (in terms of gay/homosexuals) - Lower the current exponential growth of human population
- Some very productive people are gay
- As long as both parties in the marriage are happy => yaya!
- Marriage for money is good...as it keeps money flowing.
But, there are a few slight drawbacks on such gay marriages. - More rampant growth of AIDs and other viruses due to anal sex.
- Loss of variation in the genetic pool
- For those pro for human pop. growth, a loss of numbers
- More gays would be created, and cause a 'weird' society.
- Personally, gays usually look sick....
It should be known that I don't really promote the idea of homosexuality. It is against natural human behavior. When has one seen a gay couple and called them cute? Rather, when you see male and female counterparts walking together with hands held, you deem them cute. Thus, gay-ness is definitely unnatural and should definitely be frowned upon, rather than embraced and let pass. |
Pros:
1. Can't argue there
2. Damn straight
3. Agreed
4. Disagree. How do you feel it keeps money flowing? The money in question is merely money saved on insurance and other things that couples get benefits on.
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1. The percentage of straight people with AIDS is growing fast, your argument is invalid as each percentage point of straight people represents a far larger quantity of carriers who can then spread it even faster.
2. I disagree, there are actually a surprisingly large number of gay people among the sperm donor pool which helps straight couples (and lesbian couples) who cannot have children to procreate via in-vitro fertilization and other such methods.
3. So fucking what? World is in dire need of more space per capita, less growth is good.
4. Weird? Whats weird about it? Who says its weird except you which makes it weird only with regards to your biases.
5. Right... whatever, your opinion of their looks is unrelated.
We've noticed that you don't promote it, I ask again for your explanation of what makes it unnatural. Also, don't generalize for other people. YOU don't find gay couples cute, others do, people who appreciate love not just their personal ideals. You seem to feel that the world should live with the same ideals as you do and its wrong. People have the right to decide for themselves what they believe, not you deciding for everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] And, I don't believe gays individually are bad for society. Rather the marriage is not so great. |
How does their marriage harm society?
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] But, it's a waste to the genetic pool. |
You're not going to take into account the fact that you can't stop them from being gay, and that science says that's genetic, which means that if they procreate they will likely create gay offspring, are you? Their genes having the potential of creating gay offspring would thus be undesirable according to your standards, would they not?
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] But, you must take into consideration about kids being adopted. They will have their values and ideals about society shaped by their homosexual parents. I guess it's a good way to curb the population burst.... |
Who are you to say that gay couples will have poor values and ideals? Just because they are not YOUR ideals?
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] And, the main reason for people meeting and living together is to assure that their genes are passed onto the next generation. Immortality of sorts, I suppose. |
Really? My parents fucked it up then. They got married because they loved eachother and wanted to spend the rest of their days with each other. Man, my folks fucked it up big time.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Humans are created and are attracted to one another mainly for the larger purpose of propagation. When homosexuals meet....they do not actually contribute to society as they can produce no offsprings.
Once they marry one another, possibly beneficial genes are forever lost from the genetic pool..
As for retards, they are not banned from marriage as there isn't really a need to do so. There are so few retards in comparison to the 'normal' population, and they don't really recognize marriage and don't ask for it. They are out of discussion considering their condition. |
Most of this is already covered, except the wonderful first and last bits. Gays are attracted to eachother, explain that away. They don't just meet and have sex cause they're there, there IS attraction. With regards to contributing, procreation is not the only way to contribute to society. As for people suffering from mental retardation, you are HUGELY generalizing with regards to the extent to which the majority of them are debilitated by their disease. Most people who suffer from such mental disease are highly functioning and live normal lives, yet are quite capable of passing their condition on to future generations.
Not quoting this time cause this is getting insane but for your information depression hasn't been cured, thus why so many people suffer from it.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] You are correct to state that they are part of society. However, they are considered outcasts of society as they do not help further the improvement of society. |
No they are outcast because there are alot of bigots who fall into the is-ought fallacy of logic or are religious and feel that god says that it is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. k[ore] Homosexuals can't have kids, can they? xD
(at least not natually) So, we shouldn't have problems with that. |
I address the quote this quote addressed as well. While they can't have kids naturally that doesn't mean that they couldn't help all of the unfortunate children stuck in the foster care systems of the world who don't have families that love and care for them. There are tons of kids stuck in foster care and gays could help them if society would let them. Better a gay couple who will cherish the child, possibly all the more due to their inability to produce one, and take care of it than a system that doesn't give a shit.
Alot of what you are saying is based on clear bias and reminds me alot of eshaneman's post early in this thread's history... it makes me sad that people are being brought up this way still, unless you are already like fifty which I doubt but if so... makes more sense anyhow.
Edit: I take the crown for longest post now.
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