Should gays be allowed to marry? - Page 21

Razz · 08-17-2008, 06:22 AM

Gays are born that way, there's nothing that they can do about being gay. It's not like most of them choose it. It's just part of who they are. Of course they should have the same rights as anyone else. The government certainly doesn't have the right to put limits on love between grown adults.

**Bunneh** · 08-17-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Killer Clown

Check this im native american, back then gay was frowned upon for something like that the slaves would be beheaded and comparing gay marriage to slavery, slavery was a huge thing for the fact that were humans, just like whites, so we should have the same rights, the only difference is skin.

But the same race marriage that isn't right, is a man marrying a child right? if gay marriage was allowed that would open doors for alot of others things also, a man should be with a women and a women with a man. its been that way since the beggining so why change it now?

So, in your eyes, gays aren't people?

And P.S. with parental consent, children can get married to anyone at any age. Marriage is not the same as sex.

And gay marriage wouldn't open the doors for anything except more gay marriage. Homosexuality has existed since the beginning of the human race; the oldest civilizations in the world have had well-documented cases of homosexuality amongst the population. So you're completely and utterly wrong; it hasn't been that way since the beginning.

Seriously; read a book or something.

**Hodizzle** · 08-17-2008, 03:18 PM

^Well, actually in the US, the earliest a person can get married even with parental consent is 16. But that's off topic, and well, the only thing I have to say right now. I hope that the idiocy has been distilled by the last few logical posts. I really hope.

**Bunneh** · 08-17-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hodizzle

^Well, actually in the US, the earliest a person can get married even with parental consent is 16. But that's off topic, and well, the only thing I have to say right now. I hope that the idiocy has been distilled by the last few logical posts. I really hope.

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Really?
Thought it was younger. Oh well. Still, that guy seriously needs an infusion of logic.

Babblez · 08-17-2008, 07:05 PM

I just wanna know where he's pulling his facts from. I mean even just watching a movie such as Alexander will show that man on man relationships have been around alot longer than he seems to think they have.

BeautifulDisaster · 08-18-2008, 07:07 AM

YES! Thank god Im Canadian!! Anyone can get married here...

~~*Mrs. Kyo*~~ · 08-18-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorey Scott

Gay people should be allowed to marry. I have never in my life heard an argument against it that was in any way logical or not based on religion.

Oh really? My argument seems rather logical and doesn't seem to be religiously based...

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Originally Posted by Fortunato

I'm not Tyler. >.>

You aren't?

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Originally Posted by Razz

Gays are born that way, there's nothing that they can do about being gay. It's not like most of them choose it. It's just part of who they are. Of course they should have the same rights as anyone else. The government certainly doesn't have the right to put limits on love between grown adults.

Men are not created gay....sorry...

existingfault · 08-18-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

In the end,

gay = bad

gay marriage = who cares

You call that logical?

I went back over your arguments from the past few pages and they all seemed to be based on a) your personal opinion and b) incorrect science. I mean, you think being gay is wrong because you think it looks "sick". I am not even going to start into how angry that makes me. I'm not sure I've seen ignorance in a more concentrated form.

You think they shouldn't get married because they can't have kids and therefore can't improve society? Are you serious? I, just, what. Since when do we need to have offspring to improve society? I'm never planning on having kids. Does that mean I should be denied a marriage license?

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

Men are not created gay....sorry...

How. Would. You. Know. How could you possibly claim to know whether or not people are created gay? I had crushes on girls before I even considered boys. Before I even knew what being "gay" meant. Pretty sure that's how I was created. So please don't even try to go down that road.

~~*Mrs. Kyo*~~ · 08-18-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by existingfault

You call that logical?

Yeah.

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Originally Posted by existingfault

I went back over your arguments from the past few pages and they all seemed to be based on a) your personal opinion and b) incorrect science. I mean, you think being gay is wrong because you think it looks "sick". I am not even going to start into how angry that makes me. I'm not sure I've seen ignorance in a more concentrated form.

Hmmm...It seems you have not bothered to look through the whole argument that I placed many pages ago...

I have, as noted, in my arguments....separated my personal opinions and the factual statements from one another.. I have stated earlier that in my personal opinion homosexuality seemed 'sick-looking' to me. But, how is this considered ignorance when it is merely a statement of personal opinions. Do not speak when you know naught of what you speak of.

If homosexuality in humans was actually a natural instinct and natural behavior, wouldn't it be more likely that the penetration points which are used would be more suitable for such merciless operations? This was my more factual approach to my argument. (shortened edition, refer to somewhere in previous pages for full details). Learn to read thoroughly before attempting to condemn me for my arguments.

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Originally Posted by existingfault

You think they shouldn't get married because they can't have kids and therefore can't improve society? Are you serious? I, just, what. Since when do we need to have offspring to improve society? I'm never planning on having kids. Does that mean I should be denied a marriage license?

Well then, tell me the reason for having children? Is there a need for such a thing then, if you really have no reason...other than to have a short emission of bliss at each session of copulation?

Plus, if you planned to be gay, why bother getting children if you knew beforehand that it was impossible to give birth to kids with parents of the same gender? If it was natural, wouldn't even homosexuals be able to give birth?

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Originally Posted by existingfault

How. Would. You. Know. How could you possibly claim to know whether or not people are created gay? I had crushes on girls before I even considered boys. Before I even knew what being "gay" meant. Pretty sure that's how I was created. So please don't even try to go down that road.

Then, let me ask you.... Can you not say that people were created gay? Plus, you only base your facts on your personal experience, which may in fact be very faulty.

And, you probably just liked that person as a friend, considering that you were too young to know the meaning to gay and homosexuality. Show me evidence of young homo kids raping one another to oblivion who don't know what gay is...then, you have something to talk about.

existingfault · 08-18-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

Yeah.

Hmmm...It seems you have not bothered to look through the whole argument that I placed many pages ago...

I have, as noted, in my arguments....separated my personal opinions and the factual statements from one another.. I have stated earlier that in my personal opinion homosexuality seemed 'sick-looking' to me. But, how is this considered ignorance when it is merely a statement of personal opinions. Do not speak when you know naught of what you speak of.

It's pretty clear that all of your arguments are driven by your personal opinions, considering your "factual statements" aren't actually factual. You claimed that there weren't apes and other animals engaging in homosexual activity, and more than one person replied proving you wrong. So yeah, I call that ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

If homosexuality in humans was actually a natural instinct and natural behavior, wouldn't it be more likely that the penetration points which are used would be more suitable for such merciless operations? This was my more factual approach to my argument. (shortened edition, refer to somewhere in previous pages for full details). Learn to read thoroughly before attempting to condemn me for my arguments.

Once again, an argument more than one person disputed. Anal sex can be pleasurable for a guy, if done correctly. Just like "normal" sex requires some amount of finesse to work out. And "merciless operations." Seriously? Not seeing any supporting facts on how gay sex is "merciless."

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

Well then, tell me the reason for having children? Is there a need for such a thing then, if you really have no reason...other than to have a short emission of bliss at each session of copulation?

Plus, if you planned to be gay, why bother getting children if you knew beforehand that it was impossible to give birth to kids with parents of the same gender? If it was natural, wouldn't even homosexuals be able to give birth?

Not trying to be rude here, but I don't actually understand what you're trying to say in the first paragraph. :/ On the second paragraph: first of all. You do not plan to be gay. People do not wake up one day, open up their calendars, and write "turn into a flaming homosexual" on a random day. If you've seen somebody doing this, they are doing it wrong. Secondly, I'm pretty sure I already explained how certain species require homosexual contact to reproduce.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

Then, let me ask you.... Can you not say that people were created gay?

I thought that ... was what I was saying?

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

Plus, you only base your facts on your personal experience, which may in fact be very faulty.

No, I'm basing my facts on my personal experience and the testimony of thousands of gay people around the world, as well as scientific research. That part of this debate has already been explained numerous times in this thread. The only reason I defaulted to my personal experience is because you made a statement that I know for a fact is false. It'd be like if you said "people aren't created with blue eyes," and I responded, "I was born with blue eyes." You can't tell me that I wasn't born with blue eyes when I know I was. Just like you can't tell me I wasn't born liking girls more than I like guys.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Kyo

And, you probably just liked that person as a friend, considering that you were too young to know the meaning to gay and homosexuality. Show me evidence of young homo kids raping one another to oblivion who don't know what gay is...then, you have something to talk about.

Uh, no, I most definitely liked her as more than that. She was my first kiss, thanks. You don't need to know the meaning of the word "love" to love somebody. You don't need to know what "hunger" is to feel it. So by what logic do you need to know the definition of "gay" to be it?

And I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your last sentence, sorry.