VP Debate- 1st half

[Fewmitz]

Because I speak politician, I cut through the BS, and here's what each of them actually said in the debate (the first half, anyway...)
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Question 1: Was the bailout incident an example of the ebst or worst of Washington?

Biden- Neither. Then a bunch of rambling. Half of which had nothing to do with the question.

Palin- Basically the same thing, except she didn't even say neither. She just started talking about stuff that had nothing to do with anything.

Question 2: How to reduce polarization in Washington?

Biden- Didn't pay attention.

Palin- I reform, I've reformed. McCain reforms. Obama's a Democrat, and, surprise surprise, votes democrat. After some more Ovama bashing, then she called Biden old. America needs "new energy" which is obviously what we're going to get with f***in' 70 year old PoW McCain.

Question 3: Mortgage situation.

Palin- A bunch of scary words. McCain and I are awesome. Every day people. Don't be taken advantage of. She didn't really say anything, but it was loosely tied to the question.

Biden- Obama called the mortgage crisis, McCain didn't. McCain = "tride and true" deregulation. Obama called for reform, McCain said a lot about deregulation. Middle Class needs releif, and McCain is wrong. Focus will change with Obama.

Palin #2- Agrees with..Biden. Obama voted to increase taxes. People should learn to "live with less"

Biden #2- Obama did not vote to raise taxes. McCain voted on the same bill, the same way, but the bill did not raise taxes. Palin didn't answer the deregulation claims. McCain supports deregulation.

Palin #3- "I'm a b****". I'm gonna let you know what I did as a Governor (she added in a little head bob too. You know, like when you're 7? One of those). Circumvented the question, ran out of time.

Question 4: Class Warfare.

Biden- Middle class is struggling. Not a single break. McCain supports more taxes. Obama's plan will help. Fairness. McCain wants more tax cuts for the wealthy, while giving nothing to the Middle Class. Corny comparison to the middle class ("we"), so Middle Class deserves a break.

Palin- Businesses paying higher taxes, fewer jobs. Another comparison to the middle class. "we". "We shouldn't do s***. Let the market thrive." Obama is backwards. Starts talking about McCain's healthcare plan. Obamas plan costs the Government money. Mor eexplanation of McCain's plan.

Biden #2- Calls Palin stupid. Not "redistribution" (Palin's term) but "fairness". Most small business owners make so little money that their taxes wouldn't be raised. McCain's plan is the "ultimate bridge to nowhere"

Question 5: What promises can't you keep?

Biden- Do not go forward with the tax cut proposals of McCain. We have to slow down on _____ (missed it). Don't support tax cut for Exxon. Don't slow up on Education.. We are going to eliminate wasteful spending. A small joke about the blinking light.

Palin- McCain isn't two-faced (see earlier points for the irony). Going back to energy plan, condescending tone. Obama voted for the bill that that gave the oil companies the tax breaks. "I'm so cool blah blah blah NOT IN MY STATE". Fought against oil companies, "What I had to do" etc etc. She's an "expert" in energy, apparently.

There's nothing I've promised that I can't do, because I haven't promised anything. McCain will be able to keep all of his promises.

Biden #2- Obama voted for an energy bill because of support for alternative energy. More bashing on McCain's 4 billion in the budget for oil companies. McCain will not support the bill that Palin did in Alaska, but Obama + Biden want to implement that for the whole country.

Question: Do you support legislation to help homeowners in Bankruptcy?

Palin- I would have supported the bill that made it harder to declare bankruptcy. McCain called for reform, and there's been so many changes in the past few weeks that her opinion doesn't matter. We need to fix the econmy. Didn't really say how, but we need to.

Biden- Biden voted for, Obama against. Mortgage holders did no pay the price. Biden was more optimistic, Obama pointed out two years ago that there's a mortgage crisis. McCain did not call it. Detailing what they're proposing.What they're offering isn't being supported by the Bush administration and McCain+Palin

Palin #2- More talking about how awesome she is. Nation needs to be energy independent. "Great Land" (cliche). Needs to be independent. Alaska isn't being allowed to farm the oil.

Question: What is true about the causes of Climate change?

Palin- "Nation's only arctic state. We feel it more than every state." There are real changes. "I don't want to argue about the causes". Nothing else she said was relevant because she decided that she didn't want to answer the question. In case you're interested, she talked about how we should deal with them.

The question was then repeated for Biden

Biden- The causes are man-made. If you don't understand the causes, you can't come up with a solution. McCain has voted 20 times against alternative energy sources. We should be investing in alternative energy sources, instead opting for "drill drill drill". 10 years.

Palin #2- Tries to make a joke about McCain's opinion. Blamed it on people for being hungry for energy. A bunch of bashing Biden.

Both support capping carbon emissions.

Biden #2- Countered one of Palin's points. "How can we deal with Global warming?" McCain is for everything, then why vote 20 times? Maybe he's "for everything" if the market does itself.

Question: Do you support Gay rights?

Biden- There would be no constitutional or legal limitations on same-sex marriage. Homosexuals should have the same constitutional rights as heterosexual couples.

Palin- I would be "tolerant". "I am tolerant. I have a diverse group of family and friends." We wouldn't propose any bill to prohibit contracts/hospital visitation. Does not support anything beyond the classic definition of marriage.

Biden #2- They don't want to redefine marriage.

Didn't bother with the rest of this. "We don't have any difference." Palin tried to take a small shot.

Question: What is your Exit Strategy for Iraq?

Palin- The surge worked. The other ticket opposed funding for our troops. Obama voted against it. Obama's vote was political. We cannot afford to withdraw too quickly from Iraq. We're down to pre-surge numbers in Iraq. We can move to Afghanistan.

Biden- Palin did not offer a clear plan. Obama wants to shift responsibility over to Iraq in the next 16 months. Bush agrees with this. McCain voted against funding the troops, the same as McCain. McCain wasn't going to fund the troops if there was a time line. We will end this war, for McCain there is no end in sight.

Palin #2- Biden's plan is a white flag of surrender. She was kind of stuttered/withdrawn at this point. Biden changed his viewpoint when he became VP. Biden opposed Obama's previous viewpoint.

Biden #2- McCain voted against funding over a billion dollars for the truths because he didn't want a "timeline" on it.

Question: Which is the bigger nuclear threat: Iran or Pakistan?

Biden- Pakistan already has weapons. Iran getting weapons would be bad. McCain continues to say that the fundamental front line in the war on terror will be from Iraq, and that's wrong. Pakistan is a bigger issue. Pakistan needs to be fixed.

Palin- Both are dangerous. Patreus and Al-Quida agreed that it was in Iraq. Iran can't acquire nuclear weapons. Said "nucular" a lot.

Question: Should the US engage diplomatically with enemies?

Palin- Dictators are mad, we can't just negotiate with them. Obama said we should sit down and talk with them.

Biden- Acahoghaoguhjad does not contral security apparatus in Iran. Obama did not say they should sit down. 5 secretaries said they should sit down. McCain said he agreed with them, but then said he wouldn't sit down. McCain would not sit down with the Government of SPAIN, a Nato ally with troops in Afghanistan.

I ignored this one.

Question: What has Bush done right regarding Israel?

Palin- We will support Israel. This isn't really what Bush did right. She's kind of focusing on what he did wrong. Irrelevant answers.

Biden- Bush's policies with Israel have been a failure. Some more irrelevant stuff, tied it back with "This administration is a failure." and the a bunch of stuff they're going to change.

Palin #2- "We both love Israel." Bush Administration has not been a failure. There have been blunders, but there's always blunders. Something ridiculous about "How can they call for change if they keep looking back." Gave up after that.

Biden #2- McCain hasn't said anything about how his policies are going to be different from Bush's. We will make significant changes.

Question: When should nuclear weapons be used?

Palin- US used nuclear weapons as a "deterrent". Other countries shouldn't get nuclear weapons. Said that Biden's point about McCain's policies = Bush's policies were wrong, but then she talked about nothing.

Biden- The commanding general in Afghanistan said that the surge methods used in Iraq will not work in Afghanistan. More money spent in 3 weeks in Iraq than 7 years in Afghanistan. Afghanistan needs actual funding. Nuclear weapons need need regulation. McCain has not supported--Cut himself off, stopped paying attention.

Palin #2- The General did not explicitly say that. A bunch of talking about that for a while.

Biden #2- Obama, Biden, etc, have been calling for more money and support, more troops, etc in Afghanistan. McCain said that Afghanistan doesn't matter because "it succeeded."

Question: Will Americans support sending troops to Darfur?

Ignored this one.

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General stuff:

I don't understand Palin. As a person, I don't get it. She's pompous and condescending, all the while talking about absoolutely NOTHING. My favorite example is how she's actually saying that Obama and Biden can't be expected to change things because they're ANALYZING THE PAST TOO MUCH. I guess we should, instead, ignore the past, and just do whatever the hell we want.

The problem with debates is that both of these people are skilled at saying absolutely nothing. Whenever Palin wasn't talking, she was starting at her paper. When Biden wasn't, he would be nodding or something.

[Benita Mussolina]

Thanks, I missed the debate, although from what I heard, people think that Palin won.
But goddamn she's so stupid and arrogant. And do tell, how many times did she use the word 'maverick'?

[KaosKinesis]

You guys still don't realize that these "debates" are nothing more than entertainment, without any real meaning behind them? lol

Think of this as survivor, but with a bit more stupidity.

[Fewmitz]

Originally Posted by Benita Mussolina

Thanks, I missed the debate, although from what I heard, people think that Palin won.
But goddamn she's so stupid and arrogant. And do tell, how many times did she use the word 'maverick'?

No less than twelve hundred times.

And anyone who says Palin won is a bleeding heart righty who can't comprehend that she's a complete Farce, and conveniently ignores that she can't string two sentences together without rigorous coaching. That's sort of why she said the same thing every question. Biden did it too, don't get me wrong, bu there are levels. Biden would make a legitimate point before spouting about how great his campaign is, and even then, he keeps it to (somewhat) of a minimum. Palin, on the other hand, ignored the question on several occasions because she, assumedly, hadn't gone over that point.

All politicians are worthless. The majority of the votes in America are based off of nothing more than who they like more. It's not about logic, it's not about issues. If it was about the issues, Clinton would be the Democrats' nominee. We can't change that, and the result is that those people who can actually defend their point are overshadowed and outweighed.

Issues aren't why I made this, The issues don't concern me in the slightest, because I don't really care what happens, I don't care who claims victory. What's the difference between Obama's economic plans and McCain's? Sure, there's a lot of differences on paper, but the end result is that life, as a whole, will not be that different. Maybe we'll have to work a little harder under one of them, or any number of things, but whatever, if you can't keep up, then just leave.

Issues aside, Sarah Palin is inexperienced, lacks any political competance, and is playing up what little she has to offer. I don't know what that is, really, something like she's "just like us". Sarah Palin is an idiot, but it doesn't really matter how many times I say it, because no one will really care. They ignore what she says, and they disregard that she has no idea what she's doing.

[Sejiru]

Both VP candidates are tools. I understand McCains reasoning behind Palin to grab the Hilary supporters that Obama denied when he refused to take Hilary as VP. However Joe Biden leaves me struck dumb. Obama being an idiot who makes stupid mistakes such as refusing to meet with soldiers because he can't bring cameras and other such follies but taking Biden as VP? He dropped out after NH for christs sake! The man wasn't wanted as president what made him think we wanted him for VP? Either way though I consolidate myself with that fact the VP has nearly no responsibilities accept for breaking the tie vote in the senate and replacing the president in the rare occurence it gets killed.