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Old 09-03-2008, 10:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Black holes are actually simply regions of space with a very powerful gravitational field. They don't necessarily have to be created by stars. And it would be highly inaccurate to say that black holes are a type of star.
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I read again that even if the machine does make a black hole then it would be decades before it engulfed the whole earth.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:13 PM   #34 (permalink)
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No, I don't think the world will end. Though if it does, I think it'll be a pretty quick and painless death... Oh well.
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If the Earth decides it wants to end, I hope I'll be able to hack at least one decent Gaia account first.
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I'll say it again, if the world does end, that would be an awesome birthday present. I'm tired of having all these alive people around me. LOL
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I read again that even if the machine does make a black hole then it would be decades before it engulfed the whole earth.
Assuming that the black hole exists long enough to do anything. Do you realize that black holes emit radiation? That means they lose mass. If a black hole is below a certain size, they will lose more mass via radiation then they will gain by sucking in surrounding objects. A black hole roughly the size of a car would exist for about a nanosecond. So these micro black holes, created by smashing two atoms together... How long do you think they would last?
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Assuming that the black hole exists long enough to do anything. Do you realize that black holes emit radiation? That means they lose mass. If a black hole is below a certain size, they will lose more mass via radiation then they will gain by sucking in surrounding objects. A black hole roughly the size of a car would exist for about a nanosecond. So these micro black holes, created by smashing two atoms together... How long do you think they would last?
No I didn't realize that.
I know they wouldn't last to long, but a slight malfunction or something could cause something to go wrong. I do think the person who wrote the article was trying to make things worse than it is. Then again it is the Sun newspaper and all they write about is a bunch of crap anyway.
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No I didn't realize that.
I know they wouldn't last to long, but a slight malfunction or something could cause something to go wrong. I do think the person who wrote the article was trying to make things worse than it is. Then again it is the Sun newspaper and all they write about is a bunch of crap anyway.
But what, exactly, could go wrong? To what extreme? Scientists have been using particle accelerators since 1931 (before World War II!). The only difference here is that this one is larger than the others that have been built, but also more advanced. It is also staffed by some of the most intelligent physicists in the world. So far, the only theories I've heard for things that could go wrong sound like conspiracy theories and end-of-the-world scenarios, and few of them have been supported by real science.

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I found a statistic. A while back, the folks at the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collidor in New York) thought that they had created a micro black hole by slamming two gold nuclei together. It lasted for about "1 * 10^-98 seconds."

Beyond that, given that the two forces governing the strength of a gravitational field are mass and distance, I doubt we have a problem. I mean, we're talking an almost negligible mass. What type of gravitational field does a penny create? Now imagine an atom. That's around 10^-16 of a meter.

Do people honestly expect something that small to generate the same gravitational pull as a spacial black hole, created by the collapse of a star? If so, those people know very little about gravity and the basic fundamentals of physics.
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This is basically my view on it.

And do we really need this thing? Yeah, it'll give us information on stuff we've always dreamed about. But there's also the risk (however small) that it can go horribly wrong. Scientific advancement is all well and good, but you can't just do anything you want in the NAME OF SCIENCE (ending the world is one of these things).

Nobody knows what's going to happen, not even the scientists. It isn't stupid to get worried over something like this when it's all up in the air, especially when the majority of the planet won't even understand or care about the results. Unless they all die, of course. Then I think they'll be pretty pissed.
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